The Strong Bones Coach Podcast

089: Reclaiming Your VOICE in Midlife ft. Laura Dumbleton

• Carly Killen

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Have you ever felt like you’ve lost your voice, literally or metaphorically?

In this episode, Carly is joined by voice coach and Breathwork facilitator Laura Dumbleton, for a rich and real conversation about the changes that happen to our voices, confidence, and nervous system through midlife. They dive into how your breath and voice are intimately linked, what really happens during perimenopause, and how you can start to reclaim your voice: not just as a sound, but as a part of your identity.

We talk about:

  • How hormones and perimenopause impact your vocal cords (yes, really)
  • Why your voice might feel “off” or different, and what to do about it
  • The link between confidence, nervous system regulation, and your vocal tone
  • Simple tools to support your voice and nervous system daily
  • Why humming might be your new favourite nervous system hack

Whether you’re preparing for a presentation, struggling with confidence at work, or just want to feel more grounded and expressive — this conversation is for you.

Want to learn more about Laura’s work or join her Breathwork sessions?
Head to https://lauradumbleton.co.uk/
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Carly:

Hello, lovely people and welcome back to the Strong Bones Coach Podcast, where we explore the powerful connection between body, mind, and midlife transformation. I'm your host, Kylie Killen, and today I have a really special guest joining me. I'm so excited to welcome Laura Dunton to the podcast. Laura is a voice coach and breathwork facilitator and breathwork teacher who's worked beautifully, bridges embodiment expression, and nervous system regulation. Whether you've ever felt like you've lost your voice, literally or metaphorically, while you're just curious about how breath and voice can work to support you in midlife, you're in for a treat. We're into how your voice and breath are intimately tied to your nervous system. What actually happens to your voice during perimenopause and. And why many of us might feel a bit like we've lost our voice and how we can reclaim it. Of course, topped off with practical tips on how we can start using our voice today to feel more grounded, confident, and expressive. This conversation was so much fun, full of warmth, wisdom, and gentle reminders that your voice matters, not just how it sounds, but what it carries to. So without further ado, let's welcome Laura onto the show. Hi Laura. Welcome to the Strong Bones Coach Podcast. How are you doing? Hi, Carly. I'm good, thank you. How are you? I am well and all the better for having you join us on the podcast today. How exciting. It's super exciting. So, for the benefit of our listeners, um, we met through our breathwork course through breathing space, however. As also with myself, you also do other things outside of breathing, uh, and you wear many hats. So please just, uh, introduce yourself, tell us what you do and what lights you up.

Laura:

Yes, we did meet through Breathworks. Very exciting. Um, so yeah, we met through breathing space. I am a graduated facilitator, currently a mentor and will be graduating with as a teacher hopefully by the end of this year. Um, I'm also a voice teacher. I've been teaching voice for 14 years.

Carly (2):

14

Laura:

years. So I've worked with a lot of singers in my time. Worked with a lot of people on performance style presentations. Uh, talking anything to do with the voice. I've worked with people on. Um, and sometimes I'm moonlight as admin support for somebody else depending on their, how I feel and if they need me those days. But mostly I teach voice and. I teach breath work. Um, I also am trained in working with shadow work through Jamie Catto, bring It. Um, and my voice specialty mostly is working with people with stage fright. So I come from a very varied background.

Carly:

Brilliant and quite a lot. I mean, I suppose you're doing this 14 years, you, you're bound to add extra strings to your boat. Um, super exciting, especially on the stage fright front. I mean, running a podcast is not without its nervous moments. And I have benefited from one of your, uh, workshops recently, which I really appreciated. I. Obviously we're in a podcast and when you lose your voice, um, it's not so good. So I really appreciate the tips we've had, which I'm sure you'll share later. Absolutely. Um, so in all this time of working with all the people you have come across, um, what do you wish people knew more or understood more about the voice?

Laura:

Oh, um. Oh gosh. In terms of singing, let's go there first. In terms of singing, you can be taught how to sing. Great singers are not just born, we are all born with various levels of talent, obviously, and various, uh, levels of ability. But talent is. It's grown. You have to work at your craft. And the voice is an instrument like any other. You can learn how to use it, you can learn how to abuse it as well if, if you're that way inclined. Um, but it is an instrument like any other, you just can't see it. Um, in terms of more generally speaking, ha ha ha. Mm-hmm. Your voice can, it can move. It can change over time. It changes over your lifespan and sometimes it works for you and sometimes it doesn't. And just mostly is your voice is very difficult to break. It's very difficult to hurt your voice unless you do it sustainably over a long period of time. Yeah, I think those are the things I would like people to know.

Carly:

Wonderful. It's really interesting actually, isn't it?'cause again, we we're all generally born with a voice, and this reminds me a lot, a bit like running, like you can, you can learn to run, but most people, if we can use our legs and can walk, we can probably run to some extent. But the, the ability to do that well, to do that without becoming injured, to express. What your natural talent might be for that really depends on your training and I see that a lot of runners that haven't done strength training, for example, when they do introduce strength, they suddenly do a lot better. So it is great to hear that with something like the voice again, something we can maybe take for granted. Do you think, and perhaps even put ourselves up over, um, does that sort of resonate with you?

Laura:

Absolutely. But it's very similar to running. Actually, I do use that as one of my analogies. We'll point out that I'm not a runner, but we'll take it. You do have to train to run a 5K. You can't just get up off the couch and run it. It's the same with voice. You have to train yourself to sing in the way you want to sing. So I can't take you from being a nons singer to a performer in one lesson, but I can take you over a certain amount of time from being a non-performer to being a performer. Has all the different strength and. To running, so I'm told.

Carly:

So there's hope for us all then.

Laura:

Absolutely. Does that mean I have to start running?

Carly:

Only if I don't have to start singing, I'll let you know.

Laura:

Deal.

Carly:

Deal. We can agree to stick within our own lanes here.

Laura:

I think so, yeah.

Carly:

Although we can at least appreciate the, uh, the health points that we will bring up later. Yeah. Yeah, so you mentioned about, um, how the voice changes and moves, um, over time. Um, and I've heard from yourself, which is why I wanted to invite you on here, that our voice can actually change midlife, uh, especially for a lot of women through perimenopause. Um, so is there something you can shed some lights on there for us to explain why things might change?

Laura:

Yes, yes, I can. Because your voice doesn't just change through midlife and perimenopause. Your voice changes from literal birth to the end of your lifespan. So just as a general overview, as you are a child, until you hit puberty, your voice is different. Women and men, and anybody that takes hormones to change gender will experience some kind of voice change at that time. So all our voices get deeper. Once we hit that point,'cause we're so flooded with hormones and there's so much more going on in our bodies, right? Um, women's voice changes are less obvious than men's, but we still do change. Um, and then once you get through your life, once you hit midlife, once you hit perimenopause, we start getting more hormones. And so then it all changes again, obviously'cause of more hormones. Right. Because of the fluctuation, specifically with the estrogen and progesterone, it affects the mucosal lining of the vocal pulses, which means that they are more or less pt, depending on the hydration, the elasticity, the vocal control that you have as a, as a human essentially. Um, so if, if you have more mucus, it does tend to impact vocal chords. They will be probably less lubricated. As opposed to slightly thinner mucus, which gives you more lubrication so they can move around a bit more easily.

Carly (2):

Mm-hmm.

Laura:

So as you talk, your vocal ports will stretch forwards and backwards depending on the, the tone of your voice. Um, but depends how hydrated you are as well. If you're un, if you're dehydrated, your vocal cords are drier and thus less pliable. Very similar to muscles, right. If you're dehydrated, your muscles don't work as well. Yeah,

Carly:

I know. Message. Drink more

Laura:

water. Absolutely. Absolutely. So once, once you're pass this midlife, once you pass this perimenopause, you've had all these situations, your voice is gonna change again because your hormones start to settle down again. And we will tend to find that, especially in men, but in women as well, your voice might come up in tone. You might come up in pitch because you have less of these, um, midlife hormones going on. So again, it's more of a obvious in men because they have different fluctuating levels, but we do start to change as well.

Carly:

Um,

Laura:

does that answer your question?

Carly:

Yeah, it does. And I do feel we can notice those changes. I remember as a child, I really hated that I had quite a low, deep voice. Um, it's now more of an advantage, um, and I don't think it's that low anymore. But yeah, it is really interesting. I've noticed those changes in myself because I had a slight hangup about it from younger life. But I do hear from a lot of women they. Feel a bit more hoarseness, um, with the throat, more clearing of the throat, and perhaps even perhaps a combination of the hormonal changes affecting the confidence as well. And I think there's an overall confidence, but then the voice changes as well that perhaps feed into that. Do you notice that a lot as well?

Laura:

Yeah, absolutely. Because your voice changes, you don't feel like you sound the same,

Carly (2):

so

Laura:

it then becomes wrapped up in all kinds of other things like your identity and your general confidence in life. Um, for example, I'm gonna share an example. I have one of my students, um, I've been teaching her for about nine years. Most of those nine years she has been in perimenopause. So we've had a very interesting time working with her voice. But the closest she's got to the end of perimenopause, to actual menopause, her voice has got deeper. So she felt like she couldn't stand up at work anymore and give presentations because she didn't sound like herself. So we had to work on having, making her voice move a little bit more, going up at the end of a sentence and putting more, um, movement into her vocal, um, what's the word I want? Movement. I can't think of another word I want for that. Where it goes up and down, flow. There you go. Vocal flow. Um, as opposed to kind of talking like this all the time or talking like this all the time, a little bit more conversational, where your voice will go up and down naturally. Um, but it also affected her confidence because she felt like she wasn't herself.

Carly:

Yeah. And that's the thing, isn't it? I know our voices sound different in our head to outside, which is why we all get the, the little cringey thing and we hear ourselves on recording. Yeah, I might just about got over that now, about 89 episodes into the podcast. But, um, yeah, I definitely was, uh, conscious of that in the earlier days or younger life. So yeah, I, I imagine it has a big identity shift, especially as we have our voice in our head. Uh, speaking to us here and there. Um, but then our outward face invoice, which we used to communicate, and that's a big part of things, isn't those social relationships have they shift as well, um, especially when it's your job. Um, and I think we hear a lot of that actually. It's that midlife point, um, women losing the confidence in the workplace wanting to leave, not feeling like they can go for those promotions and yeah. Did you have anyone approached you about that side of things and from the sort of. Performance and things, or is it mostly the stage performance? I know you're stage fight specialist Yeah. Though, yeah.

Laura:

Yep. I am working with someone at the moment on performance at work. Mm-hmm. Um, it comes from a different perspective, but part of it is when she stands up to talk, her voice calms up.

Carly (2):

Mm-hmm.

Laura:

But she gets all squeaky and she starts talking like this, and that is no way. To get people to recognize you because we would automatically dismiss that as being frivolous. Right? So it's about getting to a point where, because she was hearing her voice in her head and it was much higher than she thought she was going to be. And on the outside wasn't quite quite that bad. I'm exaggerating. But to get her to speak lower so that her tone went a bit lower so that she didn't feel like she was talking like that. And in that came a whole different level of confidence because. One of the things I've noticed as a woman and after teaching a lot of women, the higher our voices are, the less seriously we're taken. So as you tend to lower the pitch and the tone of your voice, and when you talk like this and when you want to get your point across, we will all speak lower. And you can hear in my voice, I'm making it artificial, but this is how I would get somebody's attention. And I want to tell you something'cause I'm telling you in this deep tone of voice. So bringing that in gave her more confidence because she felt like she could really meet everybody else where they were at. Especially'cause her team was mostly men who have deeper voices. So if she could talk down like this, they would take her more seriously.

Carly:

I mean, that's such an important thing, isn't it? And I think, yes, it's a shame that that is the way society is right now. However, um, many years of work and still a long way to go. So it's really important to just work with where we are whilst. Looking at changing those bits underneath the surface. Yeah. And even if you have to play the game, uh, along the way, so, so yeah, it's really important work you're doing here. And perhaps, I mean, most people might not have even considered or heard of voice coaching. Um, I certainly, before I moved into this world, thought it was just for people on TV or actors. Um, I thought it was very, uh, like, oh really? They've got a voice coach. So, yeah. So it's great to know that, how. Variable and how much you can actually fit into people's lives that might not be wanting to be on TV or stage, but there's real practical implications in the day to day. So that's really exciting.

Carly (2):

Yeah.

Carly:

Yeah. So I think it's time. Talk about bringing the breath in here. So obviously we breath and voice, they, they have an innate link. Um, but I'm just wondering a little bit more about, you know, how. You see those connections and how that affects everything. Um,

Laura:

I think you've hit on one of my soapboxes, Carly. So let, let's go for it. Um, so breath and voice, they are connected. You can't have a voice without breath, and you can have breath without voice, but breath is a fuel for a voice. So if you are not breathing in a way that is helpful, we're not gonna say wrong.'cause none of us breathe wrong. We just breathe. In a way that is unhelpful, then it will fuel your voice. So if you're breathing really shallow, you can hear my voice. I'm already in this place because it's got really high because I've got nothing underneath to push back against. So the air pressure underneath the vocal folds is what gives you the tone. So if I've got very little breath in here, there's no breath pressure, which makes my vocal chords not resist as well, so I get a higher pitch. Equally, if I take a really deep breath, you can hear the difference in my voice as I go down. I'm gonna talk like this now and you can hear the pictures change because my voice has dropped because I've got a deeper breath and therefore more pressure under beneath. So in terms of how breath affects voice, yes, that is something we have all experienced in our lives, especially once you get to some, any kind of. Anxiety, performance, anxiety, stage fright, anything that makes you nervous, your voice goes a little bit higher because you're in this place'cause your breath is more shallow. So yes, it does affect it in terms of helping that we get to a point where you need to notice your breath pattern. So we get into a little bit of breath awareness, and then once you notice where it is, you can change it to something that is gonna support you more.

Carly:

Yeah, I mean that's again, a bit of coaching awareness changes everything. You do think there's some sort of link between it. Oh, wouldn't you? But I mean, but it's really good just to show that that thread exists. Uh, you know, as you said, the running, the, uh, the fact we have a voice, the fact we need to hydrate whether we are working out or, you know, talking, um, the fact we need to breathe regardless of what we do. I mean, I'm stating the obvious, however, sometimes the obvious just needs stating.

Laura:

Yeah, I agree. And it's sometimes an obvious thing that you know, but you don't know it until it's pointed out to you in a conscious way. And then once you know, you can't unknow.

Carly:

Exactly. There's always those blind spots, isn't there? And that's the thing, it's like, yes, it's obvious, but only once you know. And yeah. So again, you can always be forgiven for not knowing, even if we do want to face palm at the point of realizing. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. But I do think those fun, those moments get to be fun if you laugh at yourself now and then. Yes, yes.

Carly (2):

I also agree with that too.

Carly:

So, just to look, and let's go back really to that, uh, idea of sort of voice and identity, especially when they're bringing the breath in, because again, we get a lot of women saying. I hate the sound of my voice. So we're feeling like we've lost that connection to the voice. Where do you think they can start to begin to sort of reclaim that?

Laura:

Reclaiming your voice has to be a conscious decision. This is not something that is gonna happen overnight. It's not something that is gonna happen with one decision. It's about making the decision and moving into something that is gonna help you with that. So it's very much like anything else we do in life. You have to be. Conscious about what you do. So in terms of reclaiming your voice, when you make that decision, you almost kind of have to decide what does reclaiming mean? Because you, we all come at this from different ways. Are you reclaiming your voice from confidence? Are you reclaiming your voice from, this is what I used to sound like, so I'd like you back, please. Are you reclaiming your voice for the future, for your children, for your job? Where are you coming from here? Let's, let's take an example of reclaiming your voice from something that it once was to, but it's different now. Yeah.

Carly (2):

Yeah.

Laura:

So at the start of this, you've made this decision, I used to sound like this and I want to sound like that again. Okay. So the problem now is you had a, a deeper voice and now you've got a slightly higher voice. Okay. Let's work with that. So the first thing I'm gonna ask you, how is your breathing? Are you breathing in a way that is sustainable for you? Are you breathing deeply? Are you breathing too deep? Are you breathing too shallow? Where's the sweet spot? Is it through your mouth, through your nose? All of this, we're gonna look at how you breathe, and then we're gonna look at where your vocal tone is and to see where that goes. Now, there's several ways of doing this. Um, the easiest way is to. Read something out out of a book that's really dry and boring and, okay, let's pick this one. I have the psychology of performance in my hand, so I'm gonna read out here In a number of performance domains, experts have been suggested to have better perceptual skills, especially in terms of pattern recognition and anticipation. Does that sound like my normal voice? Yeah,

Carly:

I'd say so. Thereabouts. Yeah.

Laura:

And because I've been speaking out loud, something we can hear, my voice has dropped a little bit.

Carly:

Mm-hmm.

Laura:

Because I'm now in that place of I am confident I am in charge.

Carly:

Yeah.

Laura:

I'm in charge of what my voice does. So now we've got your breath under control. We've worked a little bit with your speaking voice. Then we put it into the real world test. As we are talking right now, I'm gonna talk to you and I'm gonna remember. I felt a little bit deeper in my voice when I was reading something out loud, and I'm going to revisit that space and stay in that almost tone of voice while I'm talking to you so that it stays in that space a little bit longer. Eventually, I'm gonna lose it because that's what we do and that's who we are as humans. But the more I come back into this place, the more it's gonna settle into a slightly deeper tone. Now that is obviously a very quick fire round of how to look at your voice, but that is how I would address that moving forward.

Carly:

Sounds like it's almost like a retraining of the nervous system, the patterns, movement patterns, that sensations of your body as well. Even just being able to feel and notice your diaphragm, that tension around the abdomen, I guess holding it or not holding it, depending on what's going on, what's needed, and yeah, so I guess you're bringing in quite a bit of body awareness there, which I know, um, from experience and from who I work with, that isn't something that we often keep hold of as we get older. So, yeah.

Laura:

Yeah. I think the quickest way to find it, if you feel like you're not in your normal voice, is to put your hands at the top of your chest here, just underneath your neck, and just say, no, no, no,

Carly:

no, no, no.

Laura:

Does it feel a little vibration here?

Carly:

Yes.

Laura:

Yeah. So if you feel a vibration here, you might also feel it in the front of your throat. You're probably in a space where your voices naturally want to be.

Carly (2):

Cool, because

Laura:

this is where you are going to create the sound from your vocal chords in here.

Carly:

Ah. That's bringing a new awareness to my podcast voice now. At least I know I'm being me then.

Laura:

Yeah, absolutely. And it's just where your normal voice sits. Cool. That, that'll be different for everybody, but yeah.

Carly:

Yeah, no, that's super quick. Brilliant. So, so I know that breath work can look all kinds of different ways. You've gone quite physiological and you've touched on the confidence, um, as well. Um, how does breath work complement your voice work? Um, what role does breath play in how you encourage expression and nervous system regulation?

Laura:

So my, my teaching voice teaching comes from a level of. Efficiency. So I will teach what's going on at the vocal chord level first, and then I will address breath work after. Because if your voice is functioning correctly, then we can work on the rest of it to make sure your whole column lines up the whole breathing speaking column, right? So once I figured out your voice works we'll look at breath work. So different things require different types of breath. If you are giving a presentation, for example, um, I would say you're gonna need a really comfortable breath pattern. So you might want to try, um, for example, if you wanna bring a breath, work into it, some coherence, breathing,

Carly (2):

where

Laura:

you breathe in for five and out for five, and make that a nice little rhythm. Helps regulate your nervous system, brings your body into balance, brings your breath into balance so your voice is sitting on a really comfortable space from which to start talking.

Carly:

Okay. Yeah. Yeah, that's, that makes a lot of sense.'cause again, sometimes I know sometimes we do these longer breath works that we go and have lots of nice imagination experiences. But then there's that practical thing that we just need for in the moment at your desk, that minute before the. Presentation, in my case, a few breaths before a job interview that I got caught doing by the manager. But hey, it was like good, good tools being used. It's what you do when people aren't looking. That counts, isn't it?

Laura:

Yeah, absolutely. And if you really going into nervous system regulation for breath work, I'd be looking at box breath as well. So you're breathing in for four, hold to four out for four. Hold to four.

Carly:

Yeah.

Laura:

That will be your rhythm to have a look at. Bring your nervous system into regulation. It will downgrade all of those anxious, oh my gosh, I'm doing a performance, I'm doing a thing. Feelings, especially, um, doing a podcast for example. Oh, okay, she's hit recording. I'm gonna breathe now. Breathe. Yeah. And when you get into that space of I am comfortable with what I do, again, then your voice will have that level of. Comfort from which to operate because your bre, your breathing is in a rhythm.

Carly:

Yeah. Amazing. Also gives your brain a little something to do, isn't it? Instead of the the panic mood. Just take a little break. Yeah. So always a great one. Um, especially if even if it is just looking at the exit door and using that for the box. Another purpose. Oh, fabulous. And really like good practical tips there. Um, so I guess that brings us into any more practical tips. So what sort of other simple practices, um, can we try to connect a little bit more deeply with our breath? Um, you've already mentioned some, but yeah. Are there any others?

Laura:

Um, I think if we're connecting breath, voice, and body, the, the quickest way you can do that is humming. Because you need to breathe through your nose, which immediately changes your breath pattern. You need a slightly deeper breath to support the hum and you are using your voice at a pitch that is comfortable for you. So just a very simple to get your body moving. Um, can you hear the hum there?

Carly:

I can hear the home.

Laura:

So once you get that hum, you can go very comfortably or then you can start moving it up and down. So you can start with just a, then you go

Carly (2):

down.

Laura:

So there's a very effective voice warmup. Do I need to put my original sound on you to hear that? I, I can hear it, so we'll see. Okay, that's fine. Yeah. Um, it's a great warmup. It's a great thing to get moving, especially. When we're in midlife, we're looking at perimenopause. You wake up in the morning and your voice just doesn't work because your body is stiff and you're tired and you just just don't want to do the thing, and your voice comes out a little bit croaky comes out a little bit deep, a little bit inflexible. The hum whilst you drink for the kettle to boil for that first coffee of the day to wake you up. Great thing to do. You need nothing apart from sound.

Carly:

The, anything you can do while the kettle is boiling is we're on to a winner.

Laura:

Absolutely. And you can do it at any time during the day as well. Um, if you are, I don't know about you, Carly, but sometimes I don't talk to people during the day because I'm so focused on what I'm typing and then my talking comes later.

Carly:

Yeah.

Laura:

But during the day, I might just use my voice and do a little bit of a hum so I can know that it keeps moving. Brings me back into my body as much as anything after I've been typing for two hours. Um, and just, you know, moving through and using your voice as opposed to letting it sit.

Carly:

Yeah, absolutely. I think before I was doing breath work I used to hum in the car quite a lot, but at least now I understand why. Yes. Yeah. If you get cut off or traffic lights is a great one. So instead of ranting just hum and, uh, keeps you on the, on the level and so it can concentrate what you're supposed to be doing. But yeah, it's great to have that understanding behind it. It's amazing that sometimes we do these things quite naturally. Um, it's quite amazing that our bodies generally know what to do, but. Again, we get distracted, don't we?

Laura:

We, we do. And our voice is not something we often listen to until we notice that it's gone different to what we expect.

Carly:

Yeah. I, I think sometimes things have to go quiet a bit. Off track, don't before we really want to do something about it for the most part. Yeah. And so yeah, more proactive we can be, I guess the better.

Carly (2):

I agree.

Carly:

Yeah. Oh, I think you've brought so many, so much wisdom, so many amazing insights. Um, I've learned a lot, even though I've already been to one of your workshops, it's, uh, sunk in even further. So I'm sure our listeners are gonna really enjoy this. Um, so just wanted to know like, what's. Sliding you up right now. What have you got coming up and how can we get in touch with you?

Laura:

So currently I am running, um, a biweekly breath work on a Monday. So you can join me there. Um, you can find me. Well, no, the breath work that I'm running, actually, let's talk about that first. It's all kinds of different things, so some of them will be the longer conscious connected breath work style. There's some breathwork meditations coming in with coherence breathing, triangle breathing, box breathing, all of these exciting kind of little mini imaginative journeys. There's some voice work coming into that too. So we're gonna combine breath and voice work, and at the moment these are free. So if you wanna get on my mailing list, need to head to my website, which is www.lauradumpton.com or.co uk. Either one. I think it will take you to either one and sign up for my mailing list. Um. In the future, future, I will be looking at running some other breathwork workshops. Uh, we're heading to Edinburgh for the 26th of July. If anybody is in Edinburgh, wants to join us for, um, the art of being wildly yourself about reclaiming your confidence and powering. So I'm very excited about these things. Um, and you can also find me on Instagram, which is at Laura Dunton.

Carly:

Amazing, and I'll put those links in the show notes. So whichever website it is, we'll put the right one in there and you can go and click for those of you that I can head to the show notes afterwards. So yeah, they're super exciting and like I say, I've been on one of your. Workshops and experience. Your breathworks are all amazing. So yeah, if you want to get in touch with Laura, head to one of those spaces. So, yeah. Oh, well thank you so much, Laura. It's been absolute joy to have you on here, educational and fun as always. So yeah, I really appreciate you coming on.

Laura:

You're welcome. Thank you for having me. It's been really exciting. I've really enjoyed it.

Carly:

Oh, I'm glad you enjoyed it. Well, hopefully we may see you again soon with some updates, so we never know. So we'll watch this space. Oh, thanks for coming on and take care. All right, you too.